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PVAC Minutes 10/03/2000 ROctober 3, 2000 TRANSCRIPT OF THE MEETING OF THE COLLIER COUNTY PUBLIC VEHICLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE NAPLES, FLORIDA, OCTOBER 3, 2000 LET IT BE REMEMBERED, that the Collier County Public Vehicle Advisory Committee having conducted business herein, met on this date at 9:07 a.m. in REGULAR SESSION in Building F of the Government Complex, East Naples, Florida with the following members present: CHAIRMAN: BRYAN L. S. PEASE PATRICIA BAISLEY THOMAS W. LUGRIN CLIFFORD W. FLEGAL, JR. WILLIAM J. CSOGI ALSO PRESENT: THOMAS C. PALMER, ESQ., Assistant County Attorney MARIA E. CRUZ, Code Enforcement Investigator MICHELLE ARNOLD, Code Enforcement Director Page 1 09/21/00 12:18 FAX 941 403 2345 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT * CLERg OF BRD ~001/001 AGENDA COLLIE~ COLrNTY PUBLIC VEHICLE AJ3VISORY COMMITteE October 3, 2000 9:00 COLL~B COUNTY GOVERNMENT CENTE~ 330~ ~. TAMIAMI TR. ADMINI~TRATIVE BUILDING, TNIRD FLOOR ANY PERSON WHO DECIDES TO APPEAL A DECISION OF THIS BOARD WILL NEED A RECOPdD OF THE PROCEEDINGS PERTAINING THERETO, A/gD THEREFORE MAY NEED TO ENSURE THAT A VERBAT%M RECORD OF THE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE, WHICH RECORD INCLUDES THAT T~STIMONY AND ~VIDENCE UPON WHICH THE APPEAL IS TO BE BASED. VI. VII. VIII. ADDITIONS OR D~LBTIONS: APPROVAL OF AGENDA: APPROVAL OF MINUTES: AuguSt 28, 2000 NEW BUSINESS: A. Election of Chairman and Vice-Chairman Declaring a PVAC position vacant C. Richard A. Hull Angels on Wheels Medical Transp. Svc. D. Jonathan Burton Baldia - Medexone F. James Christopher Wa~er£ield ~e~ues~ to, oD~ra~e a Ta~i/Charter So~vice OLD BUSINESS: REPORTS: DISCUSSION: NEXT MEETING DATE: January 2, 2001 Regular Meeting October 3, 2000 CHAIRWOMAN BAISLEY.' Thanks. It's all right. Are we all set then? I'd like to open the Collier County Public Vehicle Advisory Committee Meeting of October 3rd to order. May I have a roll call, please? MS. CRUZ: Good morning. For the record~ Maria Cruz, Code Enforcement Investigator. Patricia Baisley? CHAIRWOMAN BAISLEY: Here. MS. CRUZ: Clifford Flegal? MR. FLEGAL: Here. MS. CRUZ: Tom Lugrin? MR. LUGRIN.' Here. MS. CRUZ: Bryan Pease? MR. PEASE: Here. MS. CRUZ: William Csogi? MR. CSOGI: Here. MS. CRUZ: Eric Hyde? MR. HYDE: Here. CHAIRWOMAN BAISLEY: Thank you. Do we have any additions or deletions to our agenda today? MS. ARNOLD: Yes. For the record~ Michelle Arnold, Code Enforcement Director. We have three additions under Item IV, New Business. Under the Request for Operations of a Charter Service, we will have an addition. Item G would be Connie and Edward Fulmer, Tourist Bureau of Goodland~ Inc., Item H will be Richard Christian, Marco Island Area and Seaport Shuttle, and Item I will be Frank Dicicco. And then under Request to Operate a Taxi Charter Service. That Item G will be now J. CHAIRWOMAN BAISLEY: Okay. Any other additions or deletions? MR. FLEGAL: One question. Under old business, it says consideration to increase. In reading the minutes, are we not just getting information? We're not actually going to consider a rate increase at this meeting was my understanding in reading the minutes. MS. ARNOLD: Yeah. We're having discussion today and voting on it in November. MR. FLEGAL: I don't want anybody misled that we're going to vote on any taxicab rate increases. That kind of worries me. Page 2 October 3, 2000 CHAIRWOMAN BAISLEY: Do I have an approval of today's agenda? MR. CSOGI: I'll make a motion we approve. CHAIRWOMAN BAISLEY: Do I have a second? MR. HYDE: Second. CHAIRWOMAN BAISLEY: All in favor, say aye. We move on to new business. Oh, approval of -- I'm sorry. We have approval of minutes from August 28th, 2000. MR. PEASE: So moved. MR. FLEGAL: Second. CHAIRWOMAN BAISLEY: All in favor, say aye. Opposed? None. Do you have the minutes, Bryan? Did you end up with them? MR. PEASE: Yes, I did. CHAIRWOMAN BAISLEY: I move on to our new business. A is election of chairman and vice-chairman. MR. PEASE: How long is the term of chairman and vice-chairman? CHAIRWOMAN BAISLEY: I think we do it annually, right? MR. PEASE: Is the term of the member four years or is it less? MS. ARNOLD: Typically the chairman position is annually but we'll look and see. Make it up as we go. I shouldn't say that. The ordinance doesn't have a time limitation on MR. FLEGAL: MR. PALMER: the chairman. MR. FLEGAL: It's the pleasure of the -- CHAIRWOMAN BAISLEY: How did this item come about on the agenda? MR. FLEGAL: I wasn't here so I can't -- MS. CRUZ: Staff placed the item on the agenda, thinking that the term would be three years and the present chairman has served the board as chairman for four years. CHAIRWOMAN BAISLEY: Any discussion on this? MR. HYDE: No. We just vote. MR. CSOGI: I make a recommend -- are we voting on it? MR. HYDE: We need a recommendation. MR. PEASE: I think she's waiting for nominees. MR. CSOGI: I'll make a nominee. Mr. Pease for chairman. I nominate Mr. Pease. Page 3 October 3, 2000 MR. HYDE: I'll second that. CHAIRWOMAN BAISLEY: All in favor, say aye. Opposed? MR. PEASE: Aye. (Laughter) CHAIRWOMAN BAISLEY: Now we need a vice-chairman. I'll make a nomination for Mr. Flegal. MR. HYDE: Second it. MR. PEASE: Second it. CHAIRWOMAN BAISLEY: All in favor, say aye. Opposed? Okay. Our next item of new business is declaring a PVAC position vacant. Does staff have comments about that? MS. CRUZ: This item was put on the agenda because we had three unexcused absences from -- by Mr. Lugrin, and he and I discussed that maybe there was some confusion as to what the attendance responsibilities would be of the alternate, whether or not they were required to come for every meeting, and I don't know. We've got April's meeting, July meeting and August meeting as those that were unattended by Mr. Lugrin, so it's up to the board for a discussion as to what we want to do. And maybe what we ought to do is clarify procedurally some of these things with the chairman and the alternate and those types of things so that everybody understands what the board's responsibilities are. MR. PEASE-' My personal feeling it's the worst job we have as the alternate because to expect him to show up every meeting without a vote is -- the main role is for a quorum. My personal thought is that we don't have a lot of business that carries over. This is a unique situation, this -- this meeting, but for the most part it doesn't carry over, and so my suggestion is that he only be asked to attend when there's not a quorum or it looks to be that there's not going to be a quorum. You know that beforehand, right~ whether there's going to be a quorum or not? And I don't know if that's spelled out in the guidelines, if there's anything spelled out of -- MR. PALMER-' It is not. MR. PEASE-' Okay. That's just my personal opinion. Page 4 October 3, 2000 CHAIRWOMAN BAISLEY: I can agree with Bryan that it's really not necessary for him to attend every meeting unless there is not a quorum and we should know that ahead of time by the responses that Maria receives back. MR. HYDE: I agree. MR. FLEGAL: I agree. Do we need a motion -- MR. PEASE: Yeah. That's just what I was going to ask. MR. FLEGAL: -- or something like that, Tom? MR. PALMER: You could just make a motion that that be the policy. CHAIRWOMAN BAISLEY: Do we have a motion regarding that? MR. PEASE: I'll make a motion that we modify the terms of the position of alternate so that they are not included in the three strikes you're out policy of unexcused absences. CHAIRWOMAN BAISLEY: Do I have a second? MR. HYDE: Second. CHAIRWOMAN BAISLEY: All in favor, say aye. Opposed? I have another question. Since we just changed chairman and vice-chairman, when does that become effective? Should that become effective now? MR. PALMER: There's no reason why it can't. CHAIRWOMAN BAISLEY: Pardon? MR. PALMER: There's no reason why it cannot become effective now. CHAIRWOMAN BAISLEY: Then you are the chairperson, Bryan. MR. HYDE: That was good. CHAIRWOMAN BAISLEY: One way out. CHAIRMAN PEASE: All right. First on the Request to Operate a Charter Service, we have Richard Hull. Is Richard Hull here? MR. HULL: Here. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Would you please step forward to be sworn in? (Mr. Richard Hull was sworn by the court reporter.) MS. BAISLEY: Mr. Hull, I noticed on your -- your fictitious name that you registered in the Naples Daily News -- Page 5 October 3, 2000 MR. HULL: Yes. MS. BAISLEY: -- you state that Richard Hull and Margaret Hull are both -- that the firm is composed of the following people; Richard Hull and Margaret Hull; is that correct? MR. HULL: It can be. She's my wife. She went down to do that for me at the -- MS. BAISLEY: Because on your application it's only you listed. MR. HULL: I'm fine if that's the way it needs to be, or you can add her, which would be my preference, but she won't -- she won't be participating in the business, only to maybe help me do some book work at home. She now works for the Yacht Club. MR. FLEGAL: Is this a sole proprietorship or a corporation or what it is? HULL: Sole proprietorship. FLEGAL: Okay. Have you got an occupational license tell me MR. MR. yet? MR. MR. HULL: No, not for this business. FLEGAL: Operating this business out of your home? MR. HULL: Yes, for now. As long as ! -- until I get another truck and then I'll get an office. MR. CSOGI: So, your intent is two vehicles total? MR. HULL: Possibly a third down the road, depending on how fast I tend to expand. MR. CSOGI: Two to three vehicles? MR. HULL: Right. MR. FLEGAL: Do you have the first vehicle yet or you haven't bought it yet? MR. HULL: No, I haven't bought it yet. I was waiting on to get a license. Would this type of transportation be considered a limousine service then? MS. BAISLEY: In what regard do you mean limousine service? MR. CSOGI: Taxi, limousine or charter. MR. FLEGAL: I think it's a charter. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Right, it's a charter. MS. BAISLEY: But in the past -- MR. HULL: What's the difference between the two, could you tell me, between limousine service and a charter service? Page 6 October 3, 2000 MS. BAISLEY: There isn't a difference between a limousine and the charter service. Limousines fall under the charter service category, but in the past when we've had nonemergency medical vehicles, they have been allowed to be lettered. They don't really fall completely under that charter service, the same as the vans don't. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Right. Yeah. MS. BAISLEY: So, you're allowed to put whatever lettering you'd like on the vehicle. MR. HULL: Thank you. In my application I have stated I wanted to put paramedics in each vehicle. That probably won't happen until down the road, depending on the need for one, if there's a need to have one. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Will they fall under taxi or charter? MR. CSOGI: No. The application says -- may I ask Miss Cruz? CHAIRMAN PEASE: Go ahead. MR. CSOGI: Miss Cruz? MS. CRUZ: Yes. MR. CSOGI: I have a question on the application fee not being checked. MS. CRUZ: Yes, sir. MR. CSOGI: Has it not been paid? MS. CRUZ: It has been paid. MR. CSOGI: Okay. MS. CRUZ: I have a copy of the receipt if you'd like to see it. MR, CSOGI: I'll make a motion if we have no more discussion. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Do we have any more questions? MR, CSOGI: I make a motion we approve pending criminal background is okay. MS. BAISLEY: And we have that background. MR, FLEGAL: I think that's already here. MR, CSOGI: Oh, that's right. We just got it. I just make a motion we approve then. MS, BAISLEY: I'll second that motion. CHAIRMAN PEASE: All those in -- question? MR. FLEGAL: Yes. Subject to Mr. Hull getting his occupational license, the correct registration and so on and so forth, and insurance, since he hasn't got a vehicle yet -- MR. CSOGI: Isn't there an application for occupation in here? Page 7 October 3, 2000 MS. BAISLEY: His occupational license -- MR. FLEGAL: No. He said he didn't have an occupational license yet. MS. BAISLEY: The application is in here. He can't get that until after we approve him. MR. FLEGAL: Fine. So, he hasn't got a vehicle either, so he needs to get all that paperwork and submit it. MR. HULL: To who? MR. FLEGAL: To the county. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Do you want to modify your motion? MR. CSOGI: Yes. We've got vehicle registration -- to include vehicle registration, occupational license and -- MR. FLEGAL: And any other, you know, paperwork he has to have into the county. I'm not sure that there's anything besides those two. MS. BAISLEY: The insurance. MR. CSOGI: Okay. I make the motion -- MR. FLEGAL: The certificate of insurance will have to be submitted. I think you have a letter saying that they'll give it to you, but you haven't got it yet. There are some things you have to do. MR. HULL: Right. MR. FLEGAL: Okay? MR. CSOGI: Okay. I'll make a motion we approve based on him getting us the vehicle registration, the certificate of insurance, the occupational license and any other needed documents. MS. BAISLEY: I'll second that motion. CHAIRMAN PEASE: All those in favor? Opposed? Good luck. MR. HULL: Thank you. I have another lob to get to. Do I need to finish the meeting? CHAIRMAN PEASE: No. You can see Maria after the meeting by a scheduled appointment with her. Next, Request to Operate a Charter Service is Jonathan Burton Baldia. Is that how you pronounce that? MR. BALDIA: Yes, sir. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Come forward and be sworn in, please. (Mr. Baldia was sworn in by the court reporter.) Page 8 October 3, 2000 MR. CSOGI: Mr. Baldia, you have a registration here. It's in your personal name. Do you lease it to the company? MR. BALDIA: Yes, sir. MR, CSOGI: Okay. MR. FLEGAL: Mr. Baldia, do you have a place in Collier County? MR. BALDIA: Yes. I live in Collier County. It's Bonita Springs, but Collier County. MR. FLEGAL: It is in Collier County? MR. BALDIA: Yes, sir. MS. BAISLEY: I have a question for staff. When these applications are received, do we do any checking on existing corporations to see that they're in good standing with the State of Florida? MS. CRUZ: No, we don't. MS. BAISLEY: This particular corporation, Naples Infusion Services, Inc., according to the on-line information that you can receive says that it was dissolved for an annual report. On 9/22, it was dissolved. MR. BALDIA: What? MS. BAISLEY: 9/22/2000. It was an administration dissolution for annual report. MR. CSOGI: Are you the only one in the corporation or is it you and your wife? MR. BALDIA: It's just me and my wife. We just started but we really haven't done anything as far as the business. Initially we wanted to start Infusion. We're unable to get contracts because there's no -~ there's no managed care in Collier County, so we decided we'd just branch off a different type of business. MR. CSOGI: When did you start the corporation? MR. BALDIA: The corporation -- I asked the lawyer initially to do it after -~ you know, after '99, but he submitted it much way before than I wanted it to do. MR. CSOGI: So, it's been about a year?. MR. BALDIA: It was submitted in December. MR. CSOGI: Oh. MR. BALDIA: He submitted it in December. And, so, when I pick up -- I was even surprised that it was submitted the way, what I had instructed. MR. CSOGI: So, since he submitted it, you haven't submitted Page 9 October 3~ 2000 any documents to the State of Florida saying you want to dissolve it? MR. BALDIA.' I haven't because I didn't even pick up my book until -- MR. CSOGI: That's probably a misprint or -- MR. BALDIA: I haven't picked up my book. MS. BAISLEY: But if they have to file an annual report every year, and if you don't, your corporation automatically gets dissolved by the State of Florida. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Dissolved, right. MR. CSOGI: When's the deadline on that? MS. BAISLEY.' May 31st, I think it is, or May 1st. MR. FLEGAL.' Something like that. MS. BAISLEY: Sometime in May. MR. CSOGI.' But his says -- he says his attorney applied for it in December, so it may have not -- MR. FLEGAL: It doesn't make any difference. MS. BAISLEY: That's not a corporation then. If you look on that paper, it says it was -- MR. FLEGAL: The annual report is due regardless of when you file. MR. BALDIA: Yeah. Well, you see, like I said, I didn't pick it up until like June. I said ! really had not even done any type of business for the fact that I was still not ready to do business. All my instructions to the lawyer was, you know, I need to get everything done. I don't know how to do it, just go ahead and do it. You know~ I -- this is after the fact when after I applied for the business for -- to be nonemergency when I find out they had applied for it. I have no -- I didn't even find out that was supposed to be done, to file a report. MS. BAISLEY: It might be something that can be reinstated by the State of Florida. I don't know how they work but -- CHAIRMAN PEASE: Yeah, as long as somebody doesn't take the name. MS. BAISLEY: Right. MR. FLEGAL: Between now then. MR. BALDIA: But when I check the computer in the system, because I had to to a d/b/a, it didn't -- it still said active. I didn't -- you know. MS. BAISLEY: They just did this recently. According to this, Page 10 October 3, 2000 it was September 22nd. MR. BALDIA: When I got my d/b/a, they approved it so I didn't really think there was problem. The d/b/a was just done about like a month ago. MS. BAISLEY: That's something that would need to be corrected before a permit could be issued, I would think. MR. FLEGAL: Mr. Palmer, since there's a question at least, I think, in a couple of the committee members' minds that this corporation may not still exist -- MR. PALMER: Right. MR. FLEGAL: -- would it not behoove the committee to ask the gentleman to solve his problem and come back? MR. PALMER: Or make the -- whatever approval you do today subject to reinstatement of the corporation -- MS. BAISLEY: Right. MR. FLEGAL: I feel more comfortable with -- MR. PALMER: -- and have that confirmed by Maria. MR. FLEGAL: I don't feel real comfortable with it personally. MS. BAISLEY: You might not be able to get that corporate name anymore. CHAIRMAN PEASE: We could make that contingent. MR. PALMER: Well, it could be subject to -- MR. BALDIA: With a corporate name, I mean, I can just do a d/b/a. I guess the best -- the fastest way to do it, I guess, I could just do a sole proprietor -- MS. BAISLEY: Right. MR. BALDIA: -- and then, you know, still -- I still own the Medics I, so I can just do a d/b/a as Medics I again. MR. PALMER: In all likelihood, the corporate name is still there, and in all likelihood, he'll be able to get it back. You've got to get in touch with Tallahassee and get your corporation reinstated. MR. BALDIA: Okay. That's no problem. MS. BAISLEY: I think it is something that we should check on in the future. It's very easily done on line. MR. PALMER: MS. BAISLEY: be aware of it. MR. PALMER: but the -- this is a nice money generating engine. Oh, yeah. Because these things do occur and we should The state used to give you a little more slack The fees have Page 11 October 3, 2000 gone up substantially in the last couple years, as you know. But get in touch with those folks up there, the Secretary of State, and chances are you'll be able to get reinstated. MR. BALDIA: It's a matter of just doing it in Naples. MR. PALMER: Uh-huh. Paying the -- there will be some back charge, getting your annual report filed belatedly and getting, you know, a certificate from them of good standing. MR. BALDIA: Okay. That's good. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Do we have any other questions? Do we have a motion of any type? MR. CSOGI: I'll make a motion we recommend the application based on him doing the reinstatement of the corporation with the name -- the same name and the same status, and do you want to give a time period on it for the next meeting or -- MR. PALMER: Well, the fact is the authorization will not become effective until such time as the corporation is reinstated. MR. CSOGI: But I'm saying I don't want it to drag out if he doesn't do it for two or three or six months. MR. PALMER: Oh, sure. MR. CSOGI: Thirty days enough time? MR. BALDIA: Oh, yeah. I've got a van ready to go and just, you know. MR. CSOGI: I'll make a -- I'll make a motion we approve as long as he reinstates and provides staff with a copy of that with the same corporate name as on the application and get the status reinstated. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Is there a second? MR. HYDE: Second. CHAIRMAN PEASE: ALL those in favor? Opposed? Motion carried. Good luck. MR. BALDIA: Thank you, sir. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Next Request to Operate a Charter Service, Kim Yates and Don Yates. Are they present? Come forward and get sworn in, please. (Kim Yates and Don Yates were sworn by the court reporter.) MS. CRUZ: Mr. Chairman, if I may, I have a copy of the current registration. I'd like to provide a copy to the board. Page 12 October 3, 2000 MS. BAISLEY: I'd like to make note I also checked on the corporation and it is in good standing with the State of Florida. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Thank you. MR. FLEGAL: Did I miss something here? CHAIRMAN PEASE: Yeah. I'm asking the same thing, I think. Go ahead. You first. MR. FLEGAL: We have a registration for a vehicle, the Automotive Management Group. We have a corporation called charter -- Cruisers Charters Tours doing business as Atlas Limousine. MR. YATES: It's a lease. MR. FLEGAL: And where is said lease? MR. YATES: We didn't realize that we should bring it. I mean, we have all of it but -- MR. FLEGAL: Do you have a location in Collier County? MR. YATES: Yeah. We were told we could -- we have our primary operations in Fort Myers. We were told that we could use a safety deposit box location for an address here. CHAIRMAN PEASE: I thought we -- MS. BAISLEY: Yeah. CHAIRMAN PEASE: -- that was axed a long time ago because of the fact that you couldn't access the records. MR. YATES: Well, not a -- I thought that it was -- the way I understood it anyway was that the post office box was done away with. Then it went with the safety deposit box so you would have a place to meet. MR. PALMER: That's my recollection is that the post office box didn't work because you couldn't meet there. CHAIRMAN PEASE: I hate to say that, but I think that's what it was. That was the P.O. Box that we -- MR. PALMER: And it also has to be -- CHAIRMAN PEASE: You couldn't keep records in the P.O. Box. MR. PALMER: Yeah. Right. CHAIRMAN PEASE: But the bank would be all right. MR. PALMER: And he also has to be directly assessable by phone from Collier County. Somebody calls from Collier County, they get the right number and they can request a service in Collier County. There's a lot of -- MR. CSOGI: So, should his Collier County address be on the Page 13 October 3, 2000 application and not his Cape Coral address? MR. PALMER: Well, as long as Maria knows where the repository of the records are is the main thing. If we have to get -- the idea is if we really have to get at anybody's records, that Maria will send somebody to them and they will transfer the custody of the records to the staff to the extent they need them in Collier County so that we don't have to go outside of Collier County to review any records of any of these outfits. MR. CSOGI: So that -- let me ask you about the public though. Are they allowed to review the records and how are they going to find it? MR. PALMER: The only way the public is going to review the records is if Maria gets custody of them on behalf of the public. There is no reason or there's nothing in this ordinance that gives the public the right on its own initiative to go into the records of these companies. MR. CSOGI: All right. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Any other questions? Do we have a motion? MR. HYDE: Make a motion that we approve it pending a copy of the lease so that we can see the vehicle or if it's properly titled. I think everybody else is okay. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Is there a second? MS. BAISLEY: I'll second that motion. CHAIRMAN PEASE: All those in favor? Opposed? Motion carried. Good luck. MR. YATES: Thank you. CHAIRMAN PEASE: The next item is a request to operate a charter service, James Christopher Waterfield. Mr. Waterfield -- or Ms Waterfield, are you present? You are? MRS. WATERFIELD: Mrs. Waterfield. CHAIRMAN PEASE: You're representing James Waterfield -- MRS. WATERFIELD: Yes. CHAIRMAN PEASE: -- today? MRS. WATERFIELD: He has to be away in England. (Mrs. Waterfield was sworn by the court reporter.) MR. FLEGAL: Your request for a -- is to do what? What do we want to do with this vehicle? MRS. WATERFIELD: He has some contacts with tour Page t4 October 3, 2000 operators and he wants to taxi people that come over from abroad. MR. FLEGAL: And he's going to do this under his own name -- MRS. WATERFIELD: Yes. MR. FLEGAL: -- not a fictitious name or anything like that? MRS. WATERFIELD: Yes. Under his own name. MR. CSOGI: So, he wants to operate as a taxi, not as a charter? MRS. WATERFIELD: No. It will be a charter. MR. CSOGI: Just strictly a charter? MRS. WATERFIELD: Yeah. Not a taxi. MR. PALMER: Mr. Pease, there is one issue here. This is a home occupational license, which is fine for one vehicle, but they say up to nine or eight vehicles are envisioned. It will have to be made clear that authorization for one vehicle is all that's given today because if this goes beyond two vehicles, they're going to have to get a site and a business location other than their home occupation. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Do you understand that? MRS. WATERFIELD: Yes. He knows that, yes. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Any other questions? Do we have a motion? MR. FLEGAL: I'll make a motion that we approve Mr. Waterfield subject to him obtaining registration and all of the other proper documentation that he is required to have and submits it to the county for one vehicle. MRS. WATERFIELD: Okay. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Second? MR. CSOGI: Second. CHAIRMAN PEASE: All those in favor? Opposed? Motion carried. Good luck. MRS. WATERFIELD: Thank you. CHAIRMAN PEASE: The next item is Fulmer, Connie and Edward Fulmer. Are they here? Come forward and be sworn in. (Connie and Edward Fulmer were sworn by the court reporter.) MS. CRUZ: Mr. Chairman, I also have a copy of the temporary registration for this particular application that I have to provide the board. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Please do so. Page 15 October 3, 2000 MR. FLEGAL: Mr. Palmer, we have a corporation here, a couple of them. We have one, C. D. Sampling has just changed their name to the Tourism Bureau of Goodland, Inc. in July, but the C. D. Sampling has been in existence since '96. And we have a credit report on a person and we have a corporation that's been in existence since '96. I would think they would have some kind of credit. MR. PALMER: You would think that. There may be some explanation. MR. FLEGAL: Okay. MRS. FULMER: The only explanation is that we understood that the credit reference was for the owners of the corporation and that's why we responded that way. The two owners, principal owners, are Mr. Fulmer and myself, and the credit report is on us. We can certainly provide something on the corporation in terms of tax reports, tax returns. Other than that, I don't really have anything other than maybe a bank reference in the name of the corporation. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Was the former company active in purchasing? MRS. FULMER: The former company is and was primarily a service business; accounting and tax return preparation, and still performs -- the corporation still performs that work. So, as far as creditors, maybe office supply companies, but mostly everything that was purchased for the corporation was done on a cash basis. For accounting work and tax return, it really needs to charge for purchases, so as far as the credit reference, I'm sure ! can come up with something. I have telephone records in the name of the corporation, but not really credit references. I didn't buy much on credit for that business. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Do we have any other questions? MR. CSOGI: I have one. Are you the Tourism Bureau of Goodland or are you the Discovery Tours by Tourism Bureau of Goodland? MRS. FULMER: Tourism Bureau of Goodland, d/b/a Discovery Tours. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Any other questions? MR. FLEGAL: Are you leasing this vehicle to your company or Page 16 October 3, 2000 MRS, FULMER: No. MR. FLEGAL: We have a registration to you personally. MRS. FUI. MER: The vehicle is purchased in the name of the corporation, Tourism Bureau of Goodland, Inc. It's registered to Tourism Bureau of Goodland. MS. BAISLEY: That's not what the temporary registration says. MR. HYDE: The registration says -- MR. FLEGAI.: Yeah. The registration says it is to you personally. MR. HYDE: -- to you individually. MR. FLEGAL.: That's why I had asked the question. MRS. FULMER: The other document that Maria handed you, it should be in the name of Tourism Bureau of Goodland, Inc. MS. BAISLEY: Do you have another document, Maria? MS. CRUZ: No. MRS. FULMER: To my knowledge, it's registered in Tourism Bureau of Goodland. We just did it last week, so -- That wasn't filled out the way that -- it was our understanding, but we can provide a lease document to you then. I think there was some misunderstanding with financing and we called the county and Michelle Arnold told them that we did not have to have a vehicle for hire on the tag and that's why they apparently filled it out this way. MS. ARNOLD: No. The question that was proposed to me was did the registration have to put vehicle for hire on there -- MRS. FULMER: Correct. MS. ARNOLD: -- and you didn't have the name vehicle for hire as the registration. The question as to whether or not to name your business was not posed to me. MRS, FULMER: Okay. Well, there's a understanding. When we redid all the documents, our understanding was that it was to be put under Tourism Bureau of Goodland, Inc., in the corporate name, so I'll have to fill out a lease paper for you. MS. BAISLEY: But your vehicle will be registered as a for hire vehicle under this ordinance, not as a personal vehicle MRS. FULMER: No. For hire. MS. BAISLEY: Okay. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Any other questions? Page 17 October 3, 2000 Do we have a motion? MR. HYDE: I make a motion that we approve, pending that we get the registration situation or a lease -- well, actually a registration issue, that it's done back to the company name and that all the paperwork is turned in, obviously, to the county. MRS. FULMER: Excuse me for a moment. I'm not certain that we can get the registration in the name of the corporation then because apparently there was an issue with financing and the financing company apparently said that it had to be in our names, so that's where the problem is. So, probably what I have to do is just provide a lease agreement for my papers here rather than the registration is what my thought is. MR. FLEGAL: You can own a company and finance a vehicle, I mean, unless-- MRS. FULMER: Well, that's what we thought but -- MR. FLEGAL: I've never a heard of a finance company saying you can't finance a vehicle because -- MR. FULMER: Yeah, well, Chrysler Corporation -- I was away. I just got back last Friday. But when we went in to sign the paper Friday there was a question about it being in the corporation name. Chrysler would not finance it in the corporation name so we had the salesman call Michelle Arnold, and what we were told -- of course, we didn't talk to Michelle. What we were told that it didn't have to be on the title, so they had us sign the papers that -- to buy the vehicle, but we did buy the vehicle last Friday. Now, they've put in for a temporary registration. Now, maybe the registration could be in the corporation name. I'll have to check with Motor Vehicle, but we did purchase the vehicle. CHAIRMAN PEASE: They could provide a lease agreement. MR. FLEGAL: Yeah. You could do a lease. MR. YATES: Lease it to the corporation? MR. FLEGA: Right. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Is your motion still good or do we need to amend it for anything? MR. HYDE: I think the motion is still good but I'd also like to add to it if we can get some portion of a credit report on the actual corporation or the standing of the corporation as it exists. Page 18 October 3, 2000 That should be -- MR. FULMER: The new corporation or the C. D. Sampling Corporation? MS. BAISLEY: That's the same thing. MR. FLEGAL: I thought you just changed the name so -- CHAIRMAN PEASE: I think you changed the name -- MR. FLEGAL: -- it's really the same thing. Our interest is you have a corporation that -- MRS. FULMER: No problem. MR. FLEGAI.: -- the public is seeing. You may be nice people and pay your bills, but your corporation, we don't know anything about and -- MRS. FULMER: No problem. You'll have it. MR. FLEGAL.' -- that's who the public sees is the name. And your corporation may not pay their bills so we would want to know. Okay. That's why. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Is there a second? MR. CSOGI: I'll make a second. CHAIRMAN PEASE: All those in favor, say aye. Opposed? Motion carried. Good luck. MRS. FULMER.' Thank you. CHAIRMAN PEASE: The next item is to operate a charter service, Richard Christian. Are you -- MS. CRUZ: For the record, Mr. Christian is not present and there was supposed to be a representative on his behalf, but I don't see anyone here. CHAIRMAN PEASE: All right. MS. BAISLEY: His current registration is not the proper class of vehicle. That would need to be changed. MR. CSOGI: Also it's in his personal name. MR. FLEGAI.: Well, he's a sole proprietor, so -- MR. CSOGI: Is it a sole? It's not a corp? Just a trade name. Okay. MR. FLEGAL: Maria, we have requests in for background checks? MS. CRUZ: Yes, sir. MR. FLEGAL: These last three we just -- MS. CRUZ: The last three, that's correct. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Any discussion since we can't ask questions? Page 19 October 3, 2000 Do we have a motion? MR. HYDE: The insurance, vehicle and Class I. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Does the committee have a motion? MR. HYDE: Yes. I make a motion that we agree pending the following resolutions; number one, that we actually get the insurance verification; number two, a background check; and number three, the vehicle for classification as a Class I currently, and also the location of the vehicle. It stipulates that he would actually intend on having one with a maximum of two; however, since he's in his residence, it's only capable of doing one and then after that he would have to come back or actually have a location for the second vehicle or both vehicles. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Do we have a second? MR. FLEGAL: I'll second. CHAIRMAN PEASE: All those in favor? Opposed? Motion carried. The next item is a request to operate a charter, Frank Dicicco? Is that how you say that? MR. DICICCO: Yes. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Come forward and be sworn in, please. (Frank Dicicco was sworn by the court reporter.) MR. FLEGAL: You're going to operate under your own name, sir, right? MR. DICICCO: Yes. MR. HYDE: One vehicle? MR. DICICCO: One vehicle. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Questions? Do we have a motion? MR. HYDE: I make a motion that we approve -- obviously, you've got a letter of intent from the insurance company, so I make a motion that we again grant it with the exception that we get paperwork on the insurance. I also didn't see the background check on here. That's pending? MS. CRUZ: Uh-huh. MR. HYDE: I think that's it. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Is there a second? MR. FLEGAL: Second it. CHAIRMAN PEASE: All those in favor? Page 20 October 3, 2000 Opposed? Motion carried. Good luck. MR. DICICCO: Thank you. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Next, we have a request to operate a taxi charter service and a yield to the past chairperson to pronounce the last name. MS, BAISLEY: Cokorogianis. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Thank you. MS. BAISLEY: It took me many years to learn that. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Come forward, George. (George Cokorogianis was sworn by the court reporter.) CHAIRMAN PEASE: My question reviewing this material is there's a reference to a Joseph Sandiago? MR. COKOROGIANIS: Uh-huh. If you look, that was -- I gave that to Maria Cruz before I actually picked up the application and then Joseph backed out of it, so I did it on my own. CHAIRMAN PEASE: So, you're a sole -- MR. COKOROGIANIS: That's right. CHAIRMAN PEASE: -- stockholder? MR. COKOROGIANIS: That is correct. MS. BAISLEY: I checked on that corporation also. It shows that it was dissolved for an annual report on 9/26 of '97. CHAIRMAN PEASE: '97? MS. BAISLEY: '97. MR. FLEGAL: I've got to get back there because I have a couple of questions. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Were you aware this corporation was dissolved in 19977 MR. COKOROGIANIS: No, I wasn't. Walter, the owner, is here SO-- CHAIRMAN PEASE: Do you have something from on line? MS. BAISLEY: Was there a new agreement made after Joseph Sandiago dropped out of the picture? MR. COKOROGIANIS: Yes. MS. BAISLEY: And we don't have that agreement. Did you supply that agreement to Maria Cruz? MR. COKOROGIANIS: Well, Maria -- the one I gave to Maria I thought was the original without even attempting to do an application, so that really, you know -- so, what I did was -- and then -- and then when I got the application and filled it out he wasn't included on it and neither was -- when I brought in all my Page 21 October 3, 2000 paperwork to my attorney, the corporation papers, they were all just under my name. MR. FLEGAL: Mr. Palmer-- MR. PALMER: Yes, sir. MR. FLEGAL: -- I have a question. MR. PALMER: Yes, sir. MR. FLEGAL: Page 27 of the package -- MR. PALMER: Yes. MR. FLEGAL: -- states that -- that since only 20 percent of the money was paid, the original owners were holding the certificates. I mean, the certificates haven't been transferred over and he's not the owner, he has other owners, which under our ordinance, if you have -- what is it, ten percent? MS. BAISLEY: Uh-huh. Ten percent. MR. FLEGAL: And the way this looks, I mean, kind of reads like they still own it all. MR. PALMER: Or not more than 20 percent. Another problem is if this corporation is dissolved, none of these documents in the name of the corporation are effective as to a corporation. MR. FLEGAL: I understand that, but my -- let's just assume for the sake of argument that it hasn't been dissolved. It's saying since he only paid 20 percent of the money -- MR. PALMER: Right. MR. FLEGAL: -- they're holding all the stock certificates. MR. PALMER: Right. So, they're -- MR. FLEGAL: So, they own -- MR. PALMER: They have a corporate interest in the corporation, that's right. MR. FLEGAL: And he doesn't own anything. MR. PALMER: This looks like a contingency sale and then nothing transfers until the whole amount is paid. In other words, it's not going out in installments. MR. FLEGAL: it. MR. PALMER: MR. FLEGAL: these people. MS. BAISLEY: an existing company. Right. So, he doesn't own anything. They own Right. So, they're the real principals. Right. And we don't have any information on They're the current certificate holders. This is Page 22 October 3, 2000 MR. FLEGAL: Providing there is a company. MS. BAISLEY: Well, exactly. MR. FLEGAL: I mean, if there's not -- if the company doesn't exist anymore, then they don't have existing certificates. MR. PALMER: Well -- MR. FLEGAL: Because if the company is dissolved, then the certificate was to the company, so -- MR. PALMER: Well, the obligations of the company go to the people who are involved in the company but that does not affect or operate as a transfer of a certificate with regard to the county. MR. FLEGAL: Naples Taxi, Inc. MR. PALMER: MR. FLEGAL: MR. PALMER: MR. FLEGAL: MR. PALMER: MR. FLEGAL: MR. PALMER: What I'm saying is we gave the certificate to That's correct. That company no longer exists. Therefore, the certificates are not -- The certificates don't exist. That's correct. They do not -- There's no taxi business. There's no imputed transfer to the individuals that own the corporation. MR. FLEGAL: MR. PALMER: MR. FLEGAL: MR. PALMER: company reinstalled. MR. FLEGAL: I'm of the belief that, you know, they need to fall back and regroup and come back because -- and first prove that the company exists; secondly, the owners of the company need to make, I would think, an application. And the way this letter reads, the owners are Walter and Lucinda -- MR. PALMER: And these leases are effective after the effective dissolution date of the corporation, so these leases do not lease anything to this nonexistent corporation. MR. FLEGAL: Right. MR. PALMER: They're dated 2000. If this thing was dissolved in 1997, there's no corporation in which to deed the transfer vehicles by a lease hold interest. CHAIRMAN PEASE: May I have that back? I'm going to take Correct. That's right. So-- What they've got to do is they've got to get this Page 23 October 3, 2000 that to counsel. MR. FLEGAL: If we have a special meeting coming up, I'd like to regroup to -- MR. PALMER: Well, we're taking the course that this on line is at face value, which we're perfectly reasonable to. MS. BAISLEY: Right. MR. PALMER: If in fact this is incorrect, that's one thing. If this is correct, that's quite another. But we have the right to take this on its face value and assume that this is correct information. CHAIRMAN PEASE: It's a two-prong because you have an active transportation company with permits operating with a corporation that's not -- MR. FLEGAL: That may not be in existence. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Right. MR. FLEGAL: I'm prone to recommend that this get settled and let them come back in our November meeting. I mean, there's a lot of questions here. Approving in advance doesn't -- on this one doesn't interest me. MR. PALMER: There are a lot of loose ends here. MR. FLEGAI.: Yeah. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Does the vice-chair want to add to the motion anything in reference to how staff is to handle the existing situation? MR. FLEGAL: Well, I -- first, since we have an application, we should handle the application and then when that's done, then we should make a recommendation to the staff what to do about this company that we just now found out may not exist anymore. CHAIRMAN PEASE: I'll take that as a motion. MR. FLEGAL.' We'll do it in two steps. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Do we have a second on the motion? MR. FLEGAI.: Do you understand what I'm proposing? MR. COKOROGIANIS: So, what you're saying, the company doesn't exist. MR. FLEGAL: Right. And if-- MR. COKOROGIANIS: Can I ask Walter a question since he is the owner? Do you have records on the corporation being paid up and still on file, Walter? Page 24 October 3, 2000 MR. MR. MR. when? MS. BAISLEY: He'll need to be sworn. CHAIRMAN PEASE: You'll need to be sworn in, sir. MR. COKOROGIANIS: Okay. Can you swear him in? (Gualdiero Centomini was sworn by the court reporter.) MR. CENTOMINI: The last name is C-e-n-t-o-m-i-n-i. The first name is G-u-a-l-d-i-e-r~o, parentheses, Walter. MR. COKOROGIANIS-' Now, would you tell them what you just said to me, please? MR. FLEGAL: What -- what we have found on the internet from the state is that your corporation doesn't exist anymore because you didn't file some paperwork with the state. MR. CENTOMINI: You are correct, yes. We didn't file in 1999. That's when we didn't file, yeah. MR. FLEGAL: Okay. Well, if you didn't file it, you don't have a corporation, so you can't sell something you don't have. MR. CENTOMINI: So, what do you suggest? MR. FLEGAL: I suggest you get square with the state and then come back. MR. CENTOMINI: Very easy. Yeah. You send $750 and then -- MR. COKOROGIANIS: So, in other words, all he has to do is -- MR. FLEGAL: You've got to get straight with the state to have a corporation. MR. COKOROGIANIS: Okay. Thank you. MR. FLEGAL: That's what we're recommending, that you go -- COKOROGIANIS: Okay. FLEGAL: -- settle all this and then come back to us. COKOROGIANIS: Okay. For the next meeting, which is MR. FLEGAL: November something. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Do you want this added on to the special in November? MR. COKOROGIANIS: Do I have to -- MR. FLEGAL: Well, I'm trying to give them a break, otherwise they're going to have to wait until December or January or something. So, I mean, we don't want to hold them up. MR. COKOROGIANIS: Okay. Do I have to reapply with a new application fee? MR. FLEGAL: I wouldn't think so. I mean, since this has just happened -- MR. COKOROGIANIS: Okay. Page 25 October 3, 2000 MR. FLEGAL: -- there's no sense trying to make you pay twice. MR. HYDE: Right. MR. FLEGAL: That's not to our advantage. MR. COKOROGIANIS: So, the only thing we're lacking is updated corporation. MR. FLEGAL: Prove to us that it exists and actually who is the owner. Okay? Now, also understand that you have a letter in here where he's saying since you didn't pay him the money, he's keeping all the stock certificates, which means he's the owner, not you. MR. COKOROGIANIS: Well, I know that what money he's received he's -- he's transferring the stocks over to me. He's going -- MR. FLEGAL: Okay. MR. COKOROGIANIS.' -- to be the principal -- MR. FLEGAL.' This letter says that hasn't happened, so when you come back, you can -- MR. COKOROGIANIS: What letter was that? I didn't even see that. CHAIRMAN PEASE: It's the same part of the letter I referenced at the beginning. MR. FLEGAL: Do you have a copy of the package? MR. COKOROGIANIS: Yes. MR. FLEGAL: Page 27. MR. PALMER: It's this letter here. MR. COKOROGIANIS: Okay. This was not -- that was the original one which we did not -- well, all right. I'll bring a -- a new -- at the next meeting, I'll bring a new copy of the way it should be. CHAIRMAN PEASE: That's fine. Fine. MR. FLEGAL: Okay. I have a motion on the floor. Do I have a second? MR. CSOGI: I'll second it. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Good work, vice-chair. All those in favor, say aye. Opposed? MR. COKOROGIANIS: Just one other thing. Do I -- when I get this done, do I get it immediately to Marie? MR. FLEGAL: Yes. Page 26 October 3, 2000 MR. COKOROGIANIS: And when is the meeting again? November? MS. CRUZ: November 7th? MR. COKOROGIANIS: November 7th. Thank you. MS. ARNOLD: With respect to the existing company, you all were going to have -- give us direction and -- MR. FLEGAL: Yeah. And now that we've actually been told this company doesn't exist -- CHAIRMAN PEASE: Right. MR. FLEGAL: -- as for them being around town and operating since they are not a quote-unquote legal company who issued permits to Mr. Palmer, do we pull their permits? MR. PALMER: I don't know that we pull their permits as long as the insurance is in effect. The liability insurance has not been affected negatively by the fact that the corporation is not active. That's the issue. MS. BAISLEY: But if the insurance is issued in the name of a corporation that doesn't exist, what happens then? MR. PALMER: Well -- MR. FLEGAL: If they have an accident -- MR. PALMER: -- it depends on the policy. It may be that the insurance continues to go to the drivers provided they are qualified and licensed drivers or, depending on the policy, the insurance may lapse. We don't know the answer to that question. MS. BAISLEY: Perhaps staff should check with their insurance? MR. PALMER: I think the burden is on them to show to Maria that in fact the required insurance coverage is in existence, notwithstanding -- MR. CENTOMINI: Maria gets it before you get a permit together. MR. FLEGAL-' Well, but we just found out and you've told us your company doesn't exist, so -- MR. COKOROGIANIS: I didn't say it didn't exist. MR. FLEGAL: Well, he did because he didn't pay the fee. MR. CENTOMINI: I didn't pay the amount from 1999, but that doesn't mean anything. I'll get it to my lawyer and let him take care of it. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Well, what we need -- all we need is for Page 27 October 3, 2000 him to show that the insurance company is -- you're still covered MR. COKOROGIANIS: Why would -- CHAIRMAN PEASE: -- even though the company doesn't exist. MR. COKOROGIANIS: As a matter of fact, Evan's Insurance has sent to her -- faxed her a copy maybe within two weeks ago. CHAIRMAN PEASE: But they don't know -- they don't have the information that we just ascertained today. MR. COKOROGIANIS: Not as for as the corporation goes. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Exactly, so the question is, if you could get with your insurance company, have them talk to Maria -- MR. COKOROGIANIS: Okay. CHAIRMAN PEASE: -- the staff, and make sure that your policy is still in effect -- MR. COKOROGIANIS: Right. CHAIRMAN PEASE: -- even if your corporation isn't. MR. COKOROGIANIS: Right. MR. FLEGAL: Our worry is that while you're transporting people, if you have an accident and all of a sudden the insurance company says, oh, since the state wiped out your corporation -- MR. PALMER: They'll deny liability. MR. FLEGAL: -- then the insurance is no good. MR. COKOROGIANIS: Right. MR. PALMER: They just want to make sure that's not going to happen. MR. COKOROGIANIS: I'll make sure it's done. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Today, yes. Okay. Can we take a ten-minute recess in order for -- do you have the forms for -- MS. ARNOLD: Yes. I was just going to mention. The forms for meeting -- if anyone is interested in speaking on the next item, is located on the desk right behind the first set of chairs, so please fill those out and print, if you can, and then turn them in to me. CHAIRMAN PEASE: We'll reconvene at 10:30. (A recess was had.) CHAIRMAN PEASE: I'll call the meeting back to order. We'll start with a -- with a report from Mr. Wallace. MR. WALLACE: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Page 28 October 3, 2000 For the record, Bleu Wallace, Director of Utility and Franchise Regulations for Collier County. My department had been assisting Ms. Arnold and code enforcement in gathering information that we could from the -- from the operators. At your last meeting on August 28th, we were directed to gather some data, additional data, from the operators based on a request made by Mr. Baisley on behalf of Yellow Cab for a general rate increase. The following day, on the 29th, staff hand carried or mailed a form that we generated in house requesting certain expense data and revenue data from all of the taxi operators. We sent this out. We only had three sets of information that came back. I had several exchanges of information from Mr. Baisley and we have provided that information to the PVAC members. Right now, staff has no way to analyze this. There's too many variables and I would not want to venture a guess as to what those rates should be, but we did provide that information for this committee's perusal. If -- and based on any information you receive today, additional information that you receive from the operators, we are ready and willing to take that information and analyze it in any way you see fit, so we'll await your direction. We did pass out some -- some additional information that was provided by fax by Mr. Baisley yesterday. It had to do with Lee County's rates and I made that available to you during the break. And if there is no further questions -- yes. MR. CSOGI: Mr. Wallace, how many taxicab companies were contacted for this survey? MR. WALLACE: Eleven. MR. CSOGI: And how many responded? MR. WALLACE: Three. MR. CSOGI: And how many responded accurately with enough information to substantiate any kind of a report? MR. WALLACE: There was only one that responded with the information that staff had requested and this had to do with revenue and expense numbers. MR. CSOGI: Which company was that? Page 29 October 3, 2000 MR. WALLACE: USA Taxi. MR. CSOGI: So, out of 11 companies, one really gave you what you needed to do a report. MR. WALLACE: We -- we also received information from Checker Cab, but there's a lot of variables. When you look at one year where they have so many units in service and then several years later they have triple that number in service~ it's -- it's very difficult to establish those numbers and give every expense item and the revenue items appropriate weight. MR. CSOGI: Right. So, I just want to understand this. Out of 11 companies that were contacted~ because we were told there was a need for a rate increase, two out of the 11 responded with -- well, I won't say substantial information, but at least responded. MR. WALLACE: With the requested information? MR. CSOGI.' Yes. MR. WALLACE: Yes. MR. CSOGI.' And what was the date that they had to respond by? Was that September 11th? MR. WALLACE: The 11th of September is the date that we gave them and we had those forms delivered to them or in the mail the day after your last meeting. MR. CSOGI: Okay. I want to thank you for your help. CHAIRMAN PEASE: How many taxi operators are permitted in the county? MR. WALLACE: You gave me a list of 11. MS. ARNOLD: Eleven. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Any other questions for Mr. Wallace? MR. FLEGAL: No. I have one for Mr. Palmer. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Okay. Just to remind everyone, we are not voting on this item. We are voting on this item November 7th. We're here to collect information and discuss it and ask questions. Do you want to ask your question now or -- MR. FLEGAL: Yes. CHAIRMAN PEASE: -- do you want to go to the public? MR. FLEGAL: Mr. Palmer, having missed the last meeting, but I did read the minutes, I was surprised to find out that comments of confidentiality on information and all that mumbo jumbo, the Page 30 October 3, 2000 ordinance is specific pretty specific, so I have a real problem. Did we write a bad ordinance? MR. PALMER: No. The ordinance -- there are limits. This is not a fully regulated business like a utility. And I have -- notwithstanding the language of the ordinance, I do not think it's as broad and as clear cut as that. I think that there are certain -- even utilities, have a right to and they -- the right for a government to get into the utility regulations are limited to things like trade secrets and other things that are privileged as a matter of law. Even the Public Service Commission cannot get into all the records of its related utilities. And I think there are limits as to the extent that this board can ask for proprietary information, demand it. They can ask for it, and if they can get it, it is not confidential because there's no exception to the public records law if this material is supplied that the county can keep it close to its vest. But I do not believe that the power of this board to get into the records is as extensive as one interpretation of the language in the ordinance may imply based on the case law that even the Public Service Commission can't get into the certain kinds of records of businesses if the business does not wish to give those records up. The business can claim a privilege and there are a number of privileges that are out there in the law, that a business does not have to disclose to any government. MR. CSOGI: But are you talking specific information or any information? MR. PALMER: No. There are certain types of information that are -- that they do not have to give up against their demands. And I do not -- the request that was initially given about a month or two ago was an extremely broad request and it was -- it was not -- not a suggestion. It was a demand for information. And my point is that I had not seen that, and had I seen that, I would have amended that, put a different scope and tone on it. And I told Maria that I was not going to stand -- not going to defend the fact that we were demanding all -- any and all information, no questions asked, from these businesses. MR. CSOGI: But you were at the last meeting though, right, Page 31 October 3, 2000 when we -- when we drew up the document -- or when we asked the questions from Mr. -- MR. PALMER: I have no -- I have no problem with the amended request that Mr. Wallace sent out last month. MR. CSOGI: Oh, okay. So, the initial one is what you -- MR. PALMER: The initial one was the problem. MR. FLEGAL: Okay. My problem is since these firms obviously don't want to give us any information -- MR. PALMER: If they won't -- MR. FLEGAL: -- and they say it's confidential, which I still think is a bunch of bull -- MR. PALMER: Well, they have to -- the burden of proof on claiming the privilege is on them just for the fact that what they say doesn't make it so. However, if they won't give us the information, and I agree with Mr. Wallace, we do not have enough information here, notwithstanding we have figures, they do not -- they're not the kind of information on which you can -- you can say -- you can base a firm recommendation that, yes, these rates should be increased. MR. CSOGI: Mr. Flegal, you're assuming that they don't want to give us -- MR. FLEGAL: Well, they haven't turned it in and, so, obviously MR. CSOGI: Right. MR. FLEGAL: -- they don't want to, and Mr. Baisley stood up here and said it was confidential, and he didn't want to do this -- MR. CSOGI: On the other hand -- MR. FLEGAI.: -- and he didn't want to do that. MR. CSOGI: On the other hand, he could be in the position where they think that it's -- MR. FLEGAL: Fine. He went to the county commissioners and got this $2 slapped on everybody, gave them absolutely no information, and yet they say we won't recommend rate increases until you can justify that you need the money, you shouldn't have an increase. Now, if you don't want to give me information, I'm not going to sit here and tell the county commissioners to give you a rate hike. I mean, it's real simple. MR. CSOGI: Well -- MR. FLEGAL: I mean, I can walk in and say, gee, I want to Page 32 October 3, 2000 make a million dollars a year, why don't I have it? MR. PALMER: Well, the board -- MR. FLEGAL: You've got to justify these things. MR. PALMER: Well, the -- an impetus to get a rate increase investigation does not necessarily have to come from the companies; however, for example, this board can initiate its own investigation. But if we request information from companies of which to make an objective judgment and recommendation to the Board of County Commissioners and we do not get the requested information, then we do not have enough information to make a recommendation to the Board of County Commissioners one way or the other. MR. FLEGAL: I understand that. MR. PALMER: Yes. MR. FLEGAL: That's why I'm wondering why these companies don't want to give us the information. They want the money, but they don't want to tell us why they need the money. MR. PALMER: Which means we can't in good faith go to the Board of County Commissioners and say the facts justify a rate increase. MR. FLEGAL: I mean, the -- from what I read, you know, they don't want to tell us how many trips they make. I mean, that's required under the law. Now, my reason for asking you about the ordinance is -- I'm from the school that if the ordinance says do it, do it. If you don't like it, go get a court order that says you don't have to give me the information. MR. PALMER: Or -- no, what they do is to file a paper that says I will give you certain information, but certain of this information is privileged as a matter of law, assert the privilege. MR. CSOGI: That was my point, Mr. Fiegal. What I was saying was it's my understanding that we've got less than a 25 percent response, which leads me to believe that 75 percent of the industry is happy with the rates the way they are~ the old rates. MR. PALMER: That's a reasonable conclusion. That's a reasonable conclusion. The thing about the getting into the records are primarily when you have across the board rate increase, it's primarily an investigatory tool. Page 33 October 3, 2000 In regard to asking for rate increases, it's more voluntarily. But if people are not going to volunteer the information, you can assume that they do not really need or want a rate increase if they do not want to give the information to support a factual support for recommendation to the Board of County Commissioners. MR. FLEGAL: Right. Okay. Let's take the rate increase, which I don't think they want~ except for a few. We were supposed to review this $2 surcharge at six months, which is up, and that was put on because fuel prices were high -- MR. PALMER: That's correct. MR. FLEGAL: -- as I remember the article out of the paper. MR. PALMER: That is correct. MR. FLEGAL: Yet nobody wants to tell us why they should keep the $2 on there because they don't want us to know how many trips they make, how much mileage they travel. I mean, a little ludicrous to me. MR. PALMER: Actually, the $2 surcharge was based on an assumption of a -- of a standard mileage and the fact that the gasoline price per gallon at that time was a certain amount of money. That was the basis. It was a snapshot of a particular period in time. So, the question is if the price per gallon of gasoline has gone down 20 cents a gallon or whatever, you assume that the trip length in generation stays constant unless it's proven to the contrary. So, the real question is, has the price of gasoline gone down from the time that that snapshot in time was taken or hasn't it, and if it has gone down, there may be a basis to recommend to the Board of County Commissioners that the -- the cost mechanism that was driving that increase is no longer in existence. I don't know the answer to that question but that's -- CHAIRMAN PEASE: But the board has new information which the commissioners didn't have, which we now have; i.e., the fact that the fuel surcharge is split between the owner of the company and the driver, because the driver is responsible for fuel. MR. FLEGAL: Well~ I mean -- I think we all got this sheet from staff dated June about a taxi meter rate survey in various cities, Page 34 October 3, 2000 Collier County being twice as high as anywhere else. I mean, you know -- and yet they still need two bucks to pay for gas. I'm a little confused. And then they don't want to justify why. MR. CSOGI: Mr. Palmer, wasn't it also the assumption of the county that the $2 was going towards the gas buyer and not the company? MR. PALMER: Yes. That -- it was clear to me, at least, that this money was to reimburse a specific cost and that was the increased cost of fuel. MR. CSOGI: Okay. MR. PALMER: And it was -- in fact, the idea was in all probability the surcharge would not even cover it penny for penny, but it was going to be a substantial coverage of the increased cost of fuel and that was all it was to be used for. MR. CSOGI: Right. MR. FLEGAL: And we also -- or at least I also read in the minutes, and in this newspaper article, that two of the taxi companies state that possibly -- it's not the word they use, but drivers aren't -- might not pick up people on short trips because they don't want to spend the money. I mean, that already tells me they know this goes on and they still don't want to justify why they need more money, so they want to go ahead and violate the ordinance by not picking people up, MR. PALMER: Well~ it's an unfortunate problem. You know~ you get that ten percent that's going to cut the corner. There may be taxicab drivers up there who are not going to take a bad haul. It's -- you know~ it's an age-old problem. But what you're insinuating is it's known and being tolerated by the -- MR. FLEGAL.' Correct. MR. PALMER: -- by the management. MR. FLEGAL: Plus, it's known to being tolerated, but in order to get an increase they don't want to give us any information to get the increase. MR. PALMER: Oh, well, I see what you're saying. You may -- you may show -- there may be -- you may -- there may be an inordinate lack of bad runs in the data. It means people -- MR. FLEGAL: If you want an increase, you know, give me the data. Don't sit there and say, well, because we can't get enough Page 35 October 3, 2000 MR. PALMER: MR. FLEGAL: MR. PALMER: MR. FLEGAL: give it to you. MR. PALMER: money, we're not going to make the trips. Well -- If you need the money, tell me why. Well, I understand that. If you don't want to tell me why, I'm not going to MR. MR. MR. MR. MR. MR, MR, April? MR, I understand that. And the fact of the matter is what -- when Bleu stated, and I agree with him, and I have experts in -- expertise in rate design and so forth, we don't have the numbers on which to go to the Board of County Commissioners and recommend anything. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Are there any other comments, questions for either staff, Bleu Wallace or counsel? MR. HYDE: Yes. When we actually imposed and this -- or when the County Commissioners allowed the $2 increase or the surcharge fee, what was the average rate of gas at that point? MR. FLEGAL: You mean cost? MR. HYDE: Cost. Because I'm trying to find out if it was a snapshot in time -- MR. PALMER: It was. HYDE: -- at that point -- WALLACE: It was. HYDE: -- in comparison to where it is now and -- PALMER: I think it's in the executive summary. WALLACE: I have that. HYDE: Okay, sir. Thank you. WALLACE: I think that was in March. Was it in March or FLEGAL: March. March 29th is when the article stated. MR. WALLACE: March 2000, regular unleaded was 1.647. In other words, one dollar and 64.7 cents a gallon. And that was in the Naples area. And that was in the previous report that staff prepared for the August 28th meeting that addressed the $2 surcharge. Mr. Flegal, did you get a copy of this? MR. FLEGAL: Of that one? Is that what this is, Maria? MS. CRUZ: Yes. MR. FLEGAL: You say it's a dollar sixty-four, Bleu? MR. WALLACE: And that's at tab three in that -- in that -- Page 36 October 3, 2000 booklet. MR. FLEGAL: And on the 29th, I went to four different gas stations. None of them were a dollar sixty-four. A dollar fifty-eight nine, a dollar fifty-nine nine, a dollar sixty-one nine, a dollar fifty-seven nine. Speedway, Hess, Exxon and Texaco. I went by the gas stations once a month since then to check prices. Prices have come down. Prices are lower now than they were then. I'm not impressed with this two bucks. MS. BAISLEY: What was your most recent survey of the gas? MR. FLEGAL: 9/22: Speedway, a dollar fifty-four nine; Hess, a dollar fifty-four nine; Exxon, a dollar fifty-six nine; Texaco, a dollar fifty-one nine. That was on 9/22. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Any other questions? MR. FLEGAL: And I did premium also. I don't know what taxis use. I just took the lowest price and the highest price for regular gas and premium gas. MR. PALMER: But it's not a major reduction. It's about five cents a gallon or nine cents a gallon from the stated rate, the snapshot rate. And I think that when the rates were -- before they went up they were more like a dollar twenty-five cents, weren't they, before they escalated remarkably. MR. FLEGAL: I honestly don't know but we'd have to contact MR. PALMER: So, they have gone down about nine cents a gallon, but they haven't really gone down a remarkable amount since the snapshot in time. CHAIRMAN PEASE: You know, it was 60 some odd percent, wasn't it, just as of -- in August? MR. WALLACE: July was the last time -- you know, when we prepared this report, we cut it off in July. July, the year 2000, it had increased from January '99 to July 2000 some 67 percent increase. And that is at tab three of the previous report that staff provided this -- this committee. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Any other comment, questions before we open up the public comment? MR. FLEGAL: Yeah. MS. BAISLEY: I also think that -- isn't it this county that have the highest gasoline rates in the State of Florida? It's my Page 37 October 3, 2000 understanding that they're higher here than anywhere else in the State of Florida. MR. FLEGAL: Hard to prove. CHAIRMAN PEASE: I think you looked at that, didn't you, Bleu? MS. BAISLEY: Compare our rates to other people's rates, you have to take that into consideration. CHAIRMAN PEASE: That's in Bleu's report. MR. WALLACE: Yes. At tab three in the previous report that was provided on August 28, it shows -- it shows from November '99 through July 2000, those Naples area rates that were provided by us by the American Automobile Association and the Naples area rates were much higher than the average Florida rate. MR. FLEGAL: Well, I guess what I'm looking at -- I mean, even if gas was higher, assuming that these rates are correct -- MS. BAISLEY: I don't have that rate sheet. I would like to have them investigate that. MR. FLEGAL: I mean a dollar fifty for the first mile versus three seventy-five. High gas can't account for $2 and a quarter. MR. WALLACE: Mr. Chairman, I would -- I would like to make -- reiterate, I think, the last statement I made at the August 28th meeting, and that was whenever I submitted this report for this committee to accept, the staff report, I stated that, in conclusion that the utility and franchise regulation department was not making a recommendation that the $2 surcharge be rescinded or the specific rate be put in its place. But -- but we also ask the PVAC to consider this report and all those -- all those different items in it to include price index, the gasoline surcharge, the actual cost of gasoline. And after reviewing that, I think the -- the committee took a lot of that into consideration, especially when we said that you may want to consider the contents the report and maybe come up with a more balanced rate structure where you don't have the whole $2 up front. And that more balanced rate structure -- structure would yield a fair, more reasonable approach to reduce the financial impact on short trips, recoup operating costs through both rate components, the start-up costs and the mileage costs and yield a comparable revenue for a standard trip length, which we came Page 38 October 3, 2000 MS. MR. MS. add -- up with the average trip length was 4.5 miles, while better delineating the rate adjustment process. When I say that, I mean they're going to -- the operator is going to have to be willing to provide us enough information to make an informed decision on and a recommendation. And with that, I'll close. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Any other comments, questions before we go to the public? MR. FLEGAL: Let me ask Pat a question to make sure I understand how a meter works. The -- when you get in a cab and they flip the flag up and it starts, there is in the ordinance this interval time of 40 cents a minute. Is that built into the meter? MS. BAISLEY: That's built into the meter, right. MR. FLEGAL: Okay. So, in addition to the normal mileage charge -- MS. BAISLEY: It's going to automatically cut -- MR. FLEGAL: -- it automatically adds another 40 cents for every minute -- MS. BAISLEY: Right. MR. FLEGAL: -- okay, that you're in it? Is that my understanding? MS. BAISLEY: Well, when you're stopped, it's calculating the time, not when it's moving. If you're stopped at a red light, the time is calculating -- MR. FLEGAL: Right. BAISLEY: -- because you're not traveling. FLEGAL: I understand that. That's what I -- BAISLEY: It is built into the meter, yes. You don't just MR. FLEGAL.' For the time you're stopped at red lights or traffic delays or -- MS. BAISLEY: Right. MR. FLEGAL: Yeah. Okay. That's what I thought. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Okay. Do we have the list of speakers? MS. ARNOLD: Yes. We have two speakers. First, Russ Baisley and then Jack Bridenthal. CHAIRMAN PEASE: I would ask that you keep to five minutes, please. MR. BAISLEY: Do I need to be sworn in? Page 39 October 3, 2000 MS. MR. here. Okay. I'd like to correct a couple of impressions initially. THE COURT REPORTER: Sir, would you identify yourself for the record? MR. BAISLEY: I'm sorry. My name is Russ Baisley and I'm here representing Yellow Cab today. There's was a statement that 11 cab companies were requested information based on a request for information from Maria Cruz from a list of operators licensed to do business in Collier County. I come up with actually five taxi companies, if you include one of the taxi companies that was here before that's not incorporated. We have four companies, not 11. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Is that -- is that true? MS. ARNOLD: We sent it out to 11. MR. HYDE: How many companies are permitted; 117 MR. BAISLEY: No. Not as taxis. MR. FLEGAL: Well, I'm asking the county. They would know. They issue the permits. MS. BAISLEY: That are currently operating, taxi cabs. MS. CRUZ: At this time I couldn't give you an exact number without looking in my records. MR. CSOGI: Is it more than four, more than ten? MS. CRUZ: I believe there's more than -- more than four. MR. CSOGI: More than four? MS. CRUZ: Yes, sir. MR. CSOGI: Where did you get your information? CRUZ: But the question I was asked -- BAISLEY: I got it from the county's information right MS. CRUZ: The question I was asked was how many companies received or sent the information and we sent it out -- MR. CSOGI: Taxi companies. MS. CRUZ: Yeah, taxi companies and we sent it out to 11 companies. MR. CSOGI: But we did send it out to 1t companies. You're telling us we did send it out to 11 companies? MR. BAISLEY: But there are only five taxi companies in the county. MR. CSOGI: Where did they send them? MR. BAISLEY: There are probably only four that are operating Page 40 October 3, 2000 as taxis based on the information given to me by Maria Cruz. The impression that three companies out of 11 responded is inaccurate. That's what I wanted to address. MR. CSOGI: If you would clarify that, that would help me understand it also. MR. BAISLEY: I'm sorry? MR. CSOGI: If we could clarify how many taxicab companies, it would help me clarify a lot of things for me also. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Let's have staff discuss that while we continue to listen to your public comment, please. MR. BAISLEY: I prepared a number of documents for Mr. Wallace. The problem with responding strictly to Mr. Wallace is in the initial request was that it was -- the way we operate our businesses we have an operating corporation plus a number of different things. So, we had to go back and try to segregate how the taxi, metered taxi trips from the overall thing. And these are not huge companies. These are small companies. You have to go back and you take the average number of taxi meter trips and the only trips that you regulate are the actual demand responsive meter trips. And we came up with a number of 300 trips a day. We then took the average cost of the dispatcher and the average cost of insurance and these things, telephone repairs and oil, and divided the 300 trips into the cost of $820.24 per day. We came up with $2.73 per trip, per metered taxi trip, before we bought any fuel, before we paid the driver, before we replaced the vehicle, before we pay for radial tires, any of those things. We've been in communication with Mr. Wallace's office, giving him different cost figures. It's not been in his format, but to respond in his format was not really a possible thing to do based on our corporate structure. Jack from USA Cab has a different operation. He's purely taxi. That's what he does. We've got buses, we've got limousines, we've got a number of different things. To separate that out, it doesn't -- it's difficult. Basically, the absent comparables, the current rate right now in Fort Myers~ for example, is three oh five for the initial start in the car, plus additional charges. Page 41 October 3, 2000 So, if you've got the little old lady at Publix and she's got two bags of groceries, it's at least four oh five before they move at all, probably five oh five. If she has her friend with her, it's another dollar. The county's rate that were amended or changed had not been changed since 1991. Gas rates back then were like 97 cents a gallon. You go further. The comparables of the Fort Myers airport, the minimum charge to take a taxi off to Fort Myers airport and go to your car in the parking lot, if it's one person, is $7. If it's two people, I believe it's t4. Go to Miami, there's a different drop, a different -- a whole different rate structure, but it's $2 per mile. I made the request of Maria for information on these different companies. I also asked for a list of complaints that the county had received concerning service or rates. And the comment I got back, and my response was NA, which I assume means there were no complaints. We've had very positive response from the people. We really had very few complaints. And the costs have clearly gone up. There's some other -- I think you've got copies of all the things that Mr. Wallace, I faxed him off. Are there any questions you have of me? CHAIRMAN PEASE: Thank you, Mr. Baisley. MR. BAISLEY: Oh, I'm sorry. Let me just close with this. I think you have three options basically. One might be to leave the rates the way they are. The public responded to change them further, it's going to add confusion, expenses. The other might be to deregulate the rates of taxis completely and it requires some public notice. Let the public sort it out. Certainly in most other businesses in the county public notice of rates, filing, you pick your gas station by what rate. You don't -- the county doesn't set the rate there. CHAIRMAN PEASE: The time is expired. MR. BAISLEY: So, please notify -- provide a way to notify the public in an orderly fashion, let the public choose their own means. The other choice, I think, would be to lower the taxi rate, and what's going to happen in that situation perhaps is that it will no longer be economically feasible to operate taxis whether they're Page 42 October 3, 2000 operating now with meters and top plates. So, the alternative is to take the top plates and meters off the cars and operate them as charter vehicles and you can set whatever rate you'd like. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Time is expired, Mr. Baisley. MR. BAISLEY: I'm sorry? CHAIRMAN PEASE: Time is expired. MR. BAISLEY: Which does not protect the public. Thank you. CHAIRMAN BAISLEY: Thank you. MS. CRUZ: Mr. Chairman, if I may just for the record, there are eight companies and if you'd like, I can read those names out. MR, MS. MR. MS. MR. MS. MR. MS. MR. CSOGI: Eight companies as -- CRUZ: Eight taxi companies. CSOGI: Not 117 CRUZ: We've got Aaron Taxi Limo. BAISLEY: Not a taxi. CRUZ: Accent Transportation Services. BAISLEY: Action-- CRUZ: A OK Taxi. BAISLEY: No. MS. CRUZ: Checker Cab of Collier County, Naples Taxi, Inc., Nearly Group, Inc. d/b/a A-Action Taxi, USA Taxi, Graham Transportation, A-1 Cadillac Cab, Inc. That business is no longer in business. And that's all. CHAIRMAN PEASE: The next person to speak. MS. CRUZ: The next person is Jack Bridenthal. MR. BAISLEY: May I respond to that, please? CHAIRMAN PEASE: I don't think that's necessary. MR. FLEGAL: I don't think we need to argue about the names of the taxicabs. CHAIRMAN PEASE: We'll go to the next speaker, please. MR. BRIDENTHAL: Russ pretty much -- I'm Jack Bridenthal, USA Taxi. Russ has pretty much said everything that I wanted to say with the exception that all the board seems to be worried about is the cost of gasoline to the drivers. What we need to think about is what employment you were all in ten years ago and I was in and how much that salary or wage has gone up in the last Page 43 October 3, 2000 ten years. The operators and the owners have not had an increase in ten years. Think about cost of living, CPI, everything's gone up 30 percent in ten years. As owners, expenses have gone up way more than ten percent. As drivers, whether they're paying more for gas or not, they haven't had a raise in ten years. Isn't it feasible any employee in any general salary business has had roughly 30 percent in the last ten years? I don't care per trip to make more, per this. I'd just like to pay the expenses equal to what they are over what they were ten years ago. I wasn't in it ten years ago, but I was in the car business and I know what a used engine installed was ten years ago compared to now. It was about $600, now it's 1800. The cost of used police cars that would be used for cabs has tripled in the last ten years. As I say, I wasn't buying them for cabs then. I was buying them for wholesale use, buying and reselling them. But think about everybody's expenses, how much they've gone up. As Russ said, Fort Myers is four something, plus so much a bag, so much a package. We don't get any of that. And the 40 cents a mile we talked about is any time the car is sitting with a fair. Say they want to stop at another store or they want to stop somewhere, it's not running -- if the car is running 40 miles an hour, it's 40 cents does not read. Somehow the meter stops at iust above idle. That's all I've got. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Thank you very much. The next speaker? MS. CRUZ: You have no more speakers. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Okay. Do we need a motion to close the public speakings or do I just do that? MR. PALMER: You can close the public -- you can say the public hearing is closed. CHAIRMAN PEASE: It's closed. Any other discussion that needs to take place here on this tonic before we go to reports? Comments, questions? Okay. We'll go to reports. Do we have any reports? MS. CRUZ: None from staff, sir. Page 44 October 3, 2000 CHAIRMAN PEASE: Okay. Any other discussion? The next meeting is November 7th. Do we have a time? MS. CRUZ: 9:00 a.m. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Here at this location? MS. CRUZ: Yes, sir. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Okay. And I have just one comment before I request a motion to adjourn. I would like to say this is the strongest board that I think we've ever had. There is a group of people looking at it from different areas and I'm real pleased to be a part of it and thankful for everyone's participation. Do we have a motion to adjourn? MR. HYDE: Motion to adjourn. CHAIRMAN PEASE: Second? MR. FLEGAL: I'1! second it. CHAIRMAN PEASE: All those in favor, aye. Motion carried. Thank you, everybody. There being no further business for the good of the County, the meeting was adjourned by order of the Chair at 11.'10 a.m. COLLIER COUNTY PUBLIC VEHICLE ADVISORY COMMITTEE BRYAN L. S. 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